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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number 714

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for the 12th of june 2022

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richard saunders coming to you from

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chilly

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sydney australia it's the type of

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weather

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which makes you wish you had

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an electric blanket

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oh those electric blankets are nice it's

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a bit colder than average i think

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maybe an electric coat with electric

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shoes to keep your feet warm

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all those people with electric blankets

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i envy you coming up on this week's show

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susan gerbic from guerrilla skepticism

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on wikipedia heads to las vegas where

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she met up with skeptical investigators

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kenny biddle and ben radford and

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listener coral pollock as they

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explored

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the zac baggins

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haunted museum

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maybe it's full of the ghosts of

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dead gamblers i don't know what do

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skeptical investigators think about a

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so-called haunted museum or a museum of

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haunting and i wonder if you've ever

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thought to yourself what would it be

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like to go to a mystery spot or a

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so-called haunted location or a psychic

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fair with a bunch of skeptics

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find out with our special guest reporter

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susan goebeck at the top of the show

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following that it's our continuing

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series looking at tick tock

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tick tock we've had tick-tock divining

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tick-tock psychics

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what else tick-tock something or other

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this week we have tick-tock

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homeopathy

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homeopathic tick-tock is that just a

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tick i don't know

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what are people on tik tok

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having to say about that classic of all

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homeopathy

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hill from canada with this week's trove

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segment

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and she's going to be looking at

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reflexology or

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what we might call glorified foot

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massage hmm glorified foot massage i

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think i need one i've been working some

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nights down in the city lately at the

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vivid festival doing a bit of

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and it's long nights walking around in

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the cold

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heated shoes to go with the electric

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blanket that's what i need

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but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs

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vegemite toast

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maybe a bit of cheese

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while i do that i hope you enjoy the

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i think we need to think

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here's susan gerbic

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hey skeptic zone listeners this is susan

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kerbeck live from you from las vegas

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nevada in the united states

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i'm standing

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six maybe or charleston yeah we're at

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zac baggins haunted museum

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and i've been here before with my good

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friend kenny biddle and mark edward and

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donna biddle but today we are here just

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with kenny biddle

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and a group of us are coming out here

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this should be really interesting so if

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hey kenny hey what's going on

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psychic shirt because there's cameras

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fake destiny he's got his star wars

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face mask on so he's not going to be so

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obvious but when we get inside

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they're gonna check our id so this

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should be interesting

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artifacts in here giving the the actual

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history as opposed to the the

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well [\h__\h] history that he gives you

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show called ghost adventures um it's on

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popular with ghost hunters and the ghost

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hunting community and he started this

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museum several years ago with allegedly

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got dolls and he's got all kinds of

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stuff in there so we're gonna so kenny

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this is kenny biddle and you can read

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about all his articles he's written on

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um skeptical inquire you also can go to

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we're going to go in the the tick i

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so we'll see if that rings the bell to

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expecting is gonna get busted because

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there's almost nobody here right now we

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ticket so he has no idea i'm here until

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we get in and show your id yeah so what

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you're not allowed to film or record or

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like right in the entryway so what we're

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okay we're all done we got out we got in

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thing kevin whatever your name was that

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mirror i thought that was interesting so

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people and one was a gentleman he went

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where it was like optional to stare into

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it but now you can just walk up to it

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and you know there's nothing there's no

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curse or anything like that that they

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uh what else did we see we saw the oh we

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here last time but it's still not

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circus diorama that was still there

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nose or something like that and that was

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just i mean if you're into that then by

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it was boring and a waste of time um it

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news news item fluff piece that they

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where it's just filling in ghost

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around it a different barrier so that

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remember that uh there was a barrier and

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close enough but this time you got right

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the uh oh the devil's rocking chair

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they they zach tried to claim that the

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door mysterial seat mysteriously popped

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his hand and that's exactly what they

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used they had a remote control that

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transaxle from the race car the the

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james dean james jeans race car which

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they built up is this like really cursed

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item that so many people crashed their

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cars because they had parts from the

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james dean car and it everything crashed

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everybody died and all this stuff and

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then they turned the lights on and it's

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just

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it's a piece of a car

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it's like they're like

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everyone's like yeah that's it

291
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there's nothing there's nothing there we

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did get to see zach though um briefly he

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walked right by us he had no idea

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um that we were there but he walked

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right by us i didn't get a chance to get

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a selfie with him which i'm upset about

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but

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we probably haven't gotten to do the

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tour yeah probably probably but i mean

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it's it's just the same tour i mean i

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will give on the positive side i won't

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be totally critical but on the positive

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side we did have a little bit more time

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in the beginning yeah our first place is

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way emptier than it was

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our first tour guide gave us time to

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actually look and read everything so our

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first tour guide was great whoever she

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was she was wonderful um

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i didn't like the lady yelled at me

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because i took out my phone

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because i wanted to check the time she

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yelled at me to put my phone back so i

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don't like her uh but everyone else was

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pretty much nice and yeah we were rushed

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we rushed through and that's that's

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about it

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so what i really didn't like was that

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they were really pushing this demon

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thing there were people that they were

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profiling that obviously

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had horrible things happen to them or

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they caused horrible things to hap to do

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happen

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but they were mentally ill

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it was clear these people are mentally

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ill but they kept saying

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it was demon possession it was demon

329
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possession and you're like

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i think they were just mentally ill you

331
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know people would fall and faint and

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stuff and i thought well people fall in

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faint or people with the kid from the

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haunting in connecticut case he did have

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issues his brother confirmed it that he

336
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did have uh mental issues but that's not

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mentioned in these in these stories he

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didn't get any help no he didn't get any

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help for him they talk about demons and

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everything and even with the debit box

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they're still pushing the same story

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about how it's demonic and

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it causes all these problems and causes

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the the internet guy post malone to have

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crashes and and injuries and all that

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and i mean we have an interview with

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kevin mannis who originally came up with

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the story we have him on video admitting

349
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that he made the entire story up

350
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the entire story was fabricated to make

351
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money to to create a story but they

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still push this this fabrication here at

353
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this museum and that lets them charge

354
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fifty dollars yeah fifty bucks okay so

355
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let me ask you this question

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so this is a haunted house that's the

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building it has

358
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right okay so how is this place

359
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different than going to a haunted house

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at halloween and having a good scare

361
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and

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so on i mean why why is this so

363
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different in

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just going and having a scare so yeah on

365
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the surface it's not different at all

366
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it's it's no different it's the same

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kind of you see the same halloween

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antics the same um scare tactics i mean

369
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they even had a guy in a clown suit do a

370
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jump scare at us going up the stairs

371
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but it the difference here is reputation

372
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this is a guy that has a tv show that

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has a fan base and

374
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it's in las vegas so it's an attraction

375
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he's got billboards up that we saw

376
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driving here and walking here so people

377
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come here because of his celebrity

378
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status and they're willing to shell out

379
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50 bucks because they think they're

380
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seeing really haunted items and all

381
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they're seeing is a bunch of flea market

382
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junk with a creative story attached to

383
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it that's all they're saying tell us how

384
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you really feel kim you know i just

385
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it just really pisses me off that

386
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he

387
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literally makes up stories for this and

388
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all you have to do is 10 minutes of

389
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google searching to find out that it's

390
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it's not genuine it's not a genuine

391
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story 10 minutes of google that's all

392
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you got to do but

393
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people would rather sell out 50

394
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to

395
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get scared and walk around a dark

396
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mansion which by the way i mean the

397
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mention itself is actually really cool i

398
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mean the architecture inside is really

399
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cool i can see 50 bucks for a haunted

400
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house that was two hours long if it's

401
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for built for entertainment you know and

402
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it's an attraction a haunted attraction

403
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not that's the real haunted items

404
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entertainment versus

405
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historical

406
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stuff yeah let's let's ask radford over

407
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here yeah ben radford who went as uh

408
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what was his name through the whole tour

409
00:15:13,030 --> 00:15:11,279
brad brad okay so ben radford's here

410
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with us let's see what he has to say he

411
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made some good points up and one of when

412
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we were at the end and we were kind of

413
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done about uh when we were in that

414
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titanic room with natalie wood and i'm

415
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like what is natalie wood got to do with

416
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the titanic okay tell us what you

417
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thought

418
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to me i mean it was about 15 interesting

419
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stuff i mean it's you know the whole

420
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stories and the divi stuff but there's

421
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the the the remainder of it was either

422
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irrelevant and just sort of shoehorned

423
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in you know clowns and

424
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and you know just sort of random i mean

425
00:15:45,990 --> 00:15:42,959
i love sideshow x as much as the next

426
00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:46,000
person probably more so but

427
00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:47,680
why are we seeing it here i mean it's

428
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just

429
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let's throw this in there and they're

430
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trying to fill the whole you know hour

431
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and a half two hours

432
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and then so so you said there's again

433
00:16:01,829 --> 00:16:00,320
there's you know 10 or 15 percent that's

434
00:16:03,509 --> 00:16:01,839
actually kind of interesting there's a

435
00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:03,519
story behind it but then you have a lot

436
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of this was just filler and then the

437
00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:07,600
rest is exploitation right we got this

438
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murderabilia thing we got you know

439
00:16:15,269 --> 00:16:12,320
charlie manson's drawings and and gacy

440
00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:15,279
and and kevorkian's death van these are

441
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people that you know that that died and

442
00:16:21,829 --> 00:16:19,120
people that kill it and it's just

443
00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:21,839
yeah it's it's it just really smacks the

444
00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:23,360
exploitation and that's one of the

445
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problems they had with zach you know i

446
00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:26,720
wrote in one of my books about how he

447
00:16:31,749 --> 00:16:29,040
basically exploited the suicide of actor

448
00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:31,759
david strickland i think it was uh in a

449
00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:34,320
hotel not far from here and he went he

450
00:16:39,350 --> 00:16:37,440
made a music album with alleged evp of

451
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this this dead actor

452
00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:41,120
and that's what i find really kind of

453
00:16:46,150 --> 00:16:43,680
offensive is you know go ahead and tell

454
00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:46,160
the stories but stick the truth as much

455
00:16:50,949 --> 00:16:49,360
as you can and don't don't exploit dead

456
00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:50,959
people i mean that's people with clear

457
00:16:55,189 --> 00:16:53,040
mental illness yeah i mean yeah that's

458
00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:55,199
so i mean it's you know i i don't regret

459
00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:56,639
going in there i'm not going to go in

460
00:17:01,509 --> 00:16:58,880
again but it's it's just

461
00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:01,519
it's interesting but i just again it's

462
00:17:06,390 --> 00:17:04,559
just so padded out with irrelevant stuff

463
00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:06,400
and and the stuff that's that is

464
00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:08,240
relevant it's sort of this weird

465
00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:10,480
tangential oh you know look at the

466
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serial killers you know coffee cup

467
00:17:17,510 --> 00:17:15,120
okay so coral

468
00:17:19,510 --> 00:17:17,520
from winnipeg is dying to tell us

469
00:17:21,189 --> 00:17:19,520
i just found it really interesting the

470
00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:21,199
way they uh

471
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:22,799
rushed us through

472
00:17:28,549 --> 00:17:26,000
parts that were that seemed

473
00:17:30,390 --> 00:17:28,559
really important to the story such as

474
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details and some of the letters that

475
00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:32,720
they were quoting and

476
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:35,760
sharing as evidence of

477
00:17:39,110 --> 00:17:38,000
you know things that they claimed like

478
00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:39,120
all the

479
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men they claimed who died who carried

480
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eddie's

481
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:44,559
cauldron

482
00:17:49,270 --> 00:17:46,640
and and things like that and when i

483
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:49,280
asked to read the letter i asked details

484
00:17:53,669 --> 00:17:51,280
about it it was just really just kind of

485
00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:53,679
rushed through and too dark in there to

486
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:54,400
see

487
00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:56,080
what it said

488
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and

489
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um i thought that would be a really

490
00:18:05,590 --> 00:18:03,200
really important part of the tour

491
00:18:09,510 --> 00:18:05,600
if you really wanted to sell

492
00:18:12,150 --> 00:18:09,520
hauntings and paranormal activity

493
00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:12,160
visually i i personally thought a lot of

494
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it was interesting

495
00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:18,799
but like i what ben was saying and kenny

496
00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:20,640
how it was padded with sort of like

497
00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:23,360
weird irrelevant things was very true

498
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and

499
00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:27,039
i also i'm a big fan of fun houses so i

500
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:28,880
did like that part but it definitely

501
00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:31,440
didn't have anything to do with uh with

502
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anything

503
00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:35,280
um but yeah no it was a really

504
00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:38,080
interesting experience to uh take that

505
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:39,840
tour with

506
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and you know i found it really

507
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interesting too um

508
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just noticing the reactions

509
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of the other two people in our tour that

510
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weren't with us

511
00:19:02,470 --> 00:18:58,080
because clearly

512
00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:02,480
they didn't have any sort of

513
00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:04,400
you know skepticism

514
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:07,360
yet yet maybe maybe one day they'll hear

515
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:13,029
thank you so much okay so skeptics own

516
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:14,640
listeners it's

517
00:19:17,909 --> 00:19:16,320
i'm looking forward to coming and seeing

518
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:17,919
you guys out there in australia again

519
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:20,880
sometime soon i wore my drop bear

520
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shirt to this so

521
00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:25,679
um the carney in the museum said hey

522
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,559
really cool koala you have on and i said

523
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:30,720
that's a drop bear and you have to watch

524
00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:32,720
out because they'll kill you

525
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and he says yeah that's true

526
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so

527
00:19:41,370 --> 00:19:38,240
anyway thank you skeptic zone listeners

528
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:41,380
for going on this little tour with us

529
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[Music]

530
00:19:57,549 --> 00:19:55,600
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531
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532
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533
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540
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[Music]

542
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:39,280
yes tick tock that social phenomenon

543
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:40,559
which i have

544
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:42,640
i spend too much time on tick tock folks

545
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:44,640
i really do but i do learn some

546
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:46,480
interesting things and it's interesting

547
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:49,120
to see what the opinions are of people

548
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:50,960
from around the world mostly the united

549
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:52,640
states of course but plenty of

550
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,120
australians on there too

551
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:57,039
now in the past we've looked at live

552
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tick-tockers

553
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:00,640
live ghost hunters

554
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:03,760
for example and live psychics and live

555
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tarot card readers today we're going to

556
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look through the

557
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what shall i say the archived tick tocks

558
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:12,159
these are tick tocks which are

559
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:14,799
pre-recorded or recorded on the spot

560
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:17,840
then archived but mostly i think they're

561
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:19,679
pre-recorded

562
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,280
and this week i thought we'd look up

563
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:23,679
that classic of skepticism we love

564
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,799
looking at the classics here on the

565
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,400
skeptic zone

566
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:28,320
that is investigations into this

567
00:21:32,860 --> 00:21:30,000
so-called

568
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:32,870
healing modality of homeopathy

569
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:35,840
[Music]

570
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:38,799
a quick look over on the internet before

571
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:41,760
we start at quack watch

572
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:44,000
and this is by stephen barrett md here's

573
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,280
something written in 2016 homeopathy

574
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,360
and the ultimate fake

575
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:51,679
homeopathic remedies enjoy a unique

576
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,640
status in the health marketplace

577
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:56,559
they are the only category of quack

578
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:59,280
products legally marketed as drugs

579
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:01,120
this situation is the result of two

580
00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:05,039
circumstances first the 1938 federal

581
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:07,360
food drug and cosmetic act

582
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:10,400
which was shepherded through congress by

583
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:12,880
a homeopathic physician who was a

584
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:15,360
senator recognizes as drugs or

585
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:18,480
substances included in the homeopathic

586
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:20,480
pharmacopoeia of the united states

587
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:24,000
second the fda has not held homeopathic

588
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:25,919
products to the same standards as other

589
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:28,559
drugs today they are marketed in health

590
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:30,960
food stores in pharmacies in

591
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:33,600
practitioner offices by multi-level

592
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:36,159
distributors now the article is quite

593
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:37,840
lengthy it goes on

594
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,760
it's very well worth a read and i'll

595
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:41,919
link to this in the show notes later on

596
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,240
it says at best the remedies are

597
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:46,960
placebos homeopathic remedies are made

598
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:49,919
from minerals botanical substances and

599
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:52,480
several other sources if the original

600
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:55,840
substance is soluble one part is diluted

601
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:58,799
with either nine or ninety-nine parts of

602
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:00,960
distilled water and or alcohol and

603
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:04,640
shaken vigorously succust if insoluble

604
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:07,760
it is finely ground and pulverized in

605
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:09,840
similar proportions with powdered

606
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:11,039
lactose

607
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,280
milk sugar one part of the diluted

608
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,600
medicine is further diluted and the

609
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:17,600
process is repeated until the desired

610
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:19,840
concentration is reached it goes on to

611
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:22,799
say that a 30x solution means the

612
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:26,240
original substance has been diluted

613
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:29,600
one with 30 zeros times

614
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:32,240
assuming that a cubic centimeter of

615
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:34,720
water contains 15 drops this number is

616
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:36,159
greater than the number of drops of

617
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,039
water that would fill a container more

618
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,520
than 50 times the size of the earth but

619
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:43,760
of course it goes far beyond that

620
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,240
as many of you know we have dilutions

621
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:48,400
which are 30c

622
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:50,799
which are far bigger or smaller

623
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,640
depending on how you look at it but of

624
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:54,159
course the long time argument from

625
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:55,679
skeptics is that

626
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,640
um

627
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,559
surely most homeopathic medicine is the

628
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,880
same that is there's there's nothing in

629
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,559
it there's the cry you'll hear quite

630
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,039
often homeopathy there's nothing in it

631
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:07,760
it is a placebo it's sugar pills

632
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:09,679
or a little bit of uh

633
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,520
water and alcohol which by itself of

634
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:13,200
course can be considered to be harmless

635
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:14,000
but

636
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,919
the real harm comes if you're taking

637
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:17,760
this with the expectation that it's

638
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,960
actually going to do something

639
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:20,320
especially

640
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,440
with the expectation that it's going to

641
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,760
act as some sort of vaccine

642
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:27,600
but so we turn

643
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,320
at last we turn to some examples i've

644
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:32,480
discovered on tick tock when searching

645
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:33,919
for the term

646
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:36,480
homeopathy homeopathy is another form of

647
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:38,720
pseudoscientific alternative medicine

648
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,400
that gained popularity back in the late

649
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,400
1700s you know when we were still

650
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,240
bloodletting and stuff and for some

651
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,559
reason just hasn't gone away it's got

652
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:48,559
two main principles to it the first is

653
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,200
that like cures like the idea that if

654
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,039
you take a substance that would cause an

655
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:55,279
adverse effect in a healthy person it

656
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,400
will cure similar symptoms in a not

657
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,720
healthy person so i suppose they're

658
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,320
supposed to just cancel each other out

659
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,480
or something and the second principle is

660
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:06,799
that the smaller and more dilute the

661
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:09,440
dose the stronger and more effective the

662
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:10,880
medicine becomes

663
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:13,919
so if you forget to take your medicine

664
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:16,640
that could cause an overdose i guess

665
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,600
the thing you need to know about

666
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:19,520
homeopathy is that there is not a single

667
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:20,880
homeopathic remedy that has been

668
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,200
approved by the fda at all if you see a

669
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,039
bottle that says homeopathic on it it is

670
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:27,760
not tested it is not regulated it

671
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:30,080
probably isn't dangerous either but when

672
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:31,840
people assume real medicine for that

673
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:34,559
crap that is dangerous and the first cab

674
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:36,720
off the rank that was a

675
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:39,279
tick-tock user which goes by the handle

676
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:42,400
of renegade science teacher

677
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:44,640
and now we have an entry here

678
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:47,440
video by an account under the name of

679
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,159
unbiased scipod

680
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:52,960
homeopathy or glorified sugar pills here

681
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,279
in the cold and flu isle oscillococcinum

682
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:57,840
sits right next to actual medicines

683
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:00,559
claiming to relieve flu-like symptoms

684
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:03,840
it contains no active ingredient on the

685
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:06,880
label it'll say anise barbaria which

686
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,840
means it has duck in heart liver but

687
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:11,600
those are diluted to the point of

688
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:14,320
actually having no of no active

689
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,159
ingredient at all that 200 ck number

690
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:20,640
that means that the duck liver and heart

691
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:22,159
has been diluted

692
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:25,840
100 fold 200 times over that means there

693
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:29,200
is not a single molecule in this but you

694
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:31,840
know what is in this the inactive

695
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:35,679
ingredients lactose and sucrose so this

696
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:38,720
is literally nothing more than a sugar

697
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:39,520
pill

698
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:41,760
save your money and your health and

699
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,240
that's what i've discovered in my

700
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,400
wanderings through tick tock is that

701
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:47,840
most

702
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:52,240
are negative they're critical they're

703
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:55,520
skeptical which is very interesting

704
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:58,159
and to illustrate that the very next one

705
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:00,880
i found is from an account called

706
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:03,360
i am leveling

707
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:08,960
what she has to say

708
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,279
there's this amazing non-scientific idea

709
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:13,600
in homeopathy that like treats like and

710
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:16,960
no cure is funnier to me than this one

711
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:19,760
because it's made from poison ivy and

712
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:22,080
you would use it to treat a poison ivy

713
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:23,600
rash

714
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,120
short but sweet

715
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:27,760
and yet another one here from unbiased

716
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:28,960
cypod

717
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:31,279
homeopathy are glorified sugar pills

718
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:32,720
based on the principle that the more

719
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:35,520
diluted substance is the more powerful

720
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,760
it is because the water remembered the

721
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:39,919
original substance one of the more

722
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:42,559
prevalent ones in the running community

723
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:43,520
is

724
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:44,640
arnica

725
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,240
cure muscle pain and stiffness

726
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:53,039
ease joint stiffness and also reduce

727
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:54,399
bruising

728
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:55,279
um

729
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:00,960
the concentration and 30c means that

730
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:05,120
it's been diluted 30 times each dilution

731
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:09,279
a 1 in 100 so that means it's diluted 10

732
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,360
to the power of 60 which means that

733
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:13,679
there's no actual arnica in it which is

734
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:15,919
a good thing because that would be

735
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:18,799
dangerous arnica is very toxic to humans

736
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,440
at low doses if you take a look at the

737
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,520
other ingredients we've got lactose and

738
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:26,159
sucrose so it's just nothing more than a

739
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:28,480
sugar pill

740
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:30,159
but of course not all the tick tock

741
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,679
videos are critical or skeptical or take

742
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,039
a realistic what we would call a

743
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:37,200
realistic view of the world here's a

744
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:41,279
tick tock video under the uh account of

745
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:42,399
saturn

746
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:43,440
sun

747
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,799
healing

748
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:46,799
today i'm taking my homeopathic remedy

749
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:49,200
which is personalized to help my body

750
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,120
and my mental health so it's these

751
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,279
little energetically infused sugar

752
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:55,039
pellets that go under your tongue and

753
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,159
you hold them there and then they start

754
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,960
to work within a couple days

755
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,480
so it's been a few hours since i took

756
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,559
the remedy and i won't feel anything

757
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:04,559
immediately though in the next couple

758
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,320
days i might be a little more emotional

759
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,399
than usual as the remedy is just

760
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:10,480
clearing out all that spiritual and

761
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:11,520
emotional

762
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:13,600
gunk basically i would love if you come

763
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,799
along with this journey with me i'll

764
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:16,720
keep you updated and if you're

765
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:17,679
interested in learning more about

766
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:20,480
homeopathy leave me a question or a dm

767
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:22,720
or a follow and i'll get back to you

768
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,880
and that is typical of many of the

769
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:26,799
videos on tick tock which are pro

770
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:29,039
homeopathy people taking it for

771
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,279
themselves and saying that it works now

772
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:32,960
we have a tick tock video

773
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:35,279
under the account of cat

774
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:38,559
the vet cat underscore the underscore

775
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:39,520
vet

776
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:44,880
this week has been homeopathy awareness

777
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:47,679
week but i want you all to be aware

778
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:51,039
that homeopathy does not has never and

779
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:52,960
will never work

780
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:54,880
please don't rely on it solely to treat

781
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:56,159
your pets if you think that they're

782
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,399
poorly or struggling with something it's

783
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,159
entirely possible if we do that we will

784
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:02,159
leave them to suffer in silence

785
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:03,600
and for those of you in the comments who

786
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:04,880
are going to tell me that it did help

787
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:08,399
your pets i'm really sorry but it didn't

788
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:10,000
you're probably suffering from something

789
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:12,080
called caregiver placebo which is where

790
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,679
we're so invested in a treatment and

791
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,440
believe that it's going to work that we

792
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:17,520
see positive effects when none are

793
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:19,039
actually there

794
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,960
and our pets are masters of figuring out

795
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:22,880
what it is that we want from them so

796
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,440
they soon learn to hide symptoms because

797
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:27,279
when they do that they get more positive

798
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,720
attention from us

799
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,480
you are welcome to use homeopathy in

800
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:32,640
your pets if you wish but it must always

801
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:35,200
be alongside actual medications so we

802
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:36,720
know they are getting the treatment that

803
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:37,840
they need

804
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:40,320
so please be aware homeopathy doesn't

805
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,440
work

806
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:43,520
and what good advice there from cat

807
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,039
underscore the

808
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:46,880
underscore vet

809
00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:48,799
of course that's a very important issue

810
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:49,840
when we're looking at things like

811
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,440
homeopathy and other alternative

812
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,440
medicines reiki or whatever the case may

813
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:55,120
be when people

814
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:57,200
get it done on their pets or other

815
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,799
animals

816
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,640
of course these things can't possibly

817
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,399
work on the pet but as cat the vet

818
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:04,399
pointed out some animals are very good

819
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:06,159
at discovering what can please their

820
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,120
owners

821
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:09,440
and of course we have the confirmation

822
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:11,519
bias of the owner and the expected

823
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:12,559
results

824
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:14,240
that they're looking for

825
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:15,039
when

826
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:16,960
giving their pet what they consider to

827
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:18,880
be medicine

828
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:21,120
now we have an account called

829
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,240
hannah

830
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:24,559
shalom 0.101

831
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:27,840
and hannah presumably that's her name

832
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:30,880
is a homeopathist or a homeopath

833
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:32,720
hi i'm hannah and i'm a homeopath so

834
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,760
your question is can homeopathy be used

835
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,760
at the same time as any other

836
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:39,440
treatment so the answer is yes

837
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,640
absolutely without a doubt homeopathy

838
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,880
will not be contraindicating you know

839
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:46,559
contraindicated in absolutely any

840
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,919
treatments um also homeopathy is very

841
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:51,279
widely used

842
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:54,000
especially in chemotherapy and radiation

843
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:55,840
to offset the side effects of the

844
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,880
treatment

845
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:58,880
for example fatigue tiredness easy

846
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:01,519
bruising bleeding nausea constipation

847
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:02,720
etc

848
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:05,279
homeopathy is very supportive in all

849
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:08,159
cancers and in all cancer treatments i

850
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:09,519
hope that helps

851
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:10,320
and

852
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:11,279
hannah

853
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,240
is

854
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:14,640
videoing herself presumably in what

855
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:17,600
appears to be something like a doctor's

856
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:20,399
office and she's wearing a

857
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:23,440
typical doctor's attire which is like

858
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:25,360
scrubs i guess

859
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,720
and the

860
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,039
hashtag says homeopathic

861
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:31,600
family practice so she really considers

862
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:34,960
herself to be a real healthcare provider

863
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:37,840
but now let's really end one more one

864
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:39,519
more let's really end

865
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:43,760
with a ted talk about homeopathy given

866
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,679
some time ago

867
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:47,279
but i'm going to take some medication

868
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:51,840
this is a full bottle of calms forte

869
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:54,080
i'll explain that in just a moment

870
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,240
ignore the instructions that's what the

871
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,399
the government has to put in there to

872
00:33:01,430 --> 00:33:00,240
confuse you i'm sure

873
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:01,440
i will take

874
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:09,110
indeed the whole container

875
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:11,039
32 kappas

876
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:12,640
columns at forte

877
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:14,559
now that i've done that i'll explain in

878
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,519
a moment

879
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:17,519
you've heard of it it's an alternative

880
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,840
form of healing right homeopathy

881
00:33:23,830 --> 00:33:21,840
actually consists and that's what this

882
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:23,840
is this is um

883
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:27,120
calms 40 32 caplets of sleeping pills i

884
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:30,399
forgot to tell you that i just ingested

885
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:32,799
six and a half days worth of sleeping

886
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:37,509
six and a half days that certainly is a

887
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:39,039
fatal dose it says right on the back

888
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,080
here in case of overdose contact your

889
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:43,919
poison control center immediately and it

890
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,240
gives an 800 number keep your seats it's

891
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,720
going to be okay i don't really need it

892
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:50,559
because i've been doing this stunt for

893
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:53,760
audiences all over the world

894
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,240
for the last eight or ten years taking

895
00:34:03,190 --> 00:33:58,720
fatal doses of homeopathic sleeping

896
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,200
pills why don't they affect me

897
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:06,480
[Applause]

898
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,720
the answer may surprise you what is

899
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:11,040
homeopathy it's taking a medicine that

900
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,320
really works

901
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:14,639
and diluting it down well beyond

902
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:17,440
avogadro's limit diluting it down to the

903
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:21,599
point where there's none of it left

904
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,000
now folks this is not just a metaphor

905
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:26,639
i'm going to give you now it's true it's

906
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,159
exactly equivalent to taking one 325

907
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,560
milligram aspirin tablet throwing it

908
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,879
into the middle of lake tahoe

909
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,720
and then stirring it up obviously with a

910
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:38,480
very big stick

911
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:41,040
and waiting two years or so until the

912
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,960
solution is homogeneous

913
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:44,960
then when you get a headache you take a

914
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,950
now that is true that is what homeopathy

915
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,720
is all about and another claim that they

916
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:56,639
make you'll love this one the more

917
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:59,280
dilute the medicine is they say the more

918
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,280
powerful it is

919
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,359
now wait a minute we heard about a guy

920
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:05,280
in florida the poor man he was on

921
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:07,119
homeopathic medicine he died of an

922
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,390
work on it work on it

923
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,560
it's a ridiculous thing it is absolutely

924
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,880
ridiculous i don't know what we're doing

925
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:23,040
believing in all this nonsense over all

926
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:24,160
these years

927
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:26,000
so there we go what a great way to round

928
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:28,160
off this segment a tick-tock video

929
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:31,040
featuring james randy part of his ted

930
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,920
talk

931
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,880
and i

932
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,720
i remember randy very well doing the

933
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,640
same demonstration here in australia

934
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:38,480
just taking many many homeopathic

935
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:40,000
tablets to show

936
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,599
that they don't work

937
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:43,359
they can't work

938
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:45,440
they're at best a

939
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,000
misconception and at worst an outright

940
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,320
scam but what an interesting thing it is

941
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,800
to flip through the random videos on

942
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:54,240
tick tock

943
00:35:58,880 --> 00:35:55,440
looking for

944
00:36:10,470 --> 00:35:58,890
people talking about homeopathy

945
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:11,910
now here's a note from our friends of

946
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:14,480
the canberra skeptics

947
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:15,520
rights

948
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:18,880
riots and rat bags making sense of

949
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:20,480
magical thinking

950
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,680
this is a talk on the 13th of july 2022

951
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,200
from 6 p.m

952
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,520
at the belconnen community service which

953
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,520
is in chandler street belconnen the

954
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:31,680
australian capital territory the

955
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,400
admission cost is free

956
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,640
the speaker associate professor bruce

957
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:38,560
arnold

958
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,359
it is increasingly common for judges to

959
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,079
dismiss claims by anti-vaxx and anti-5g

960
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:47,200
conspiracists as gobbledygook nonsense

961
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,400
or mischief

962
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:50,400
this presentation highlights recent

963
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:54,000
claims and allegedly such as arsene at

964
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,079
old parliament house in arguing that

965
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,560
much of the language about rights is a

966
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:00,800
type of magical thinking

967
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:03,359
the failure of that language which

968
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:05,359
bewilders sovereign citizens and others

969
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,560
who think that using all uppercase names

970
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:10,320
or other techniques such as the

971
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:13,200
invocation of settlement of disputes

972
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,400
using a blood acts will free them from

973
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:18,800
obligations regarding taxation traffic

974
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,200
rules bankruptcy child support or other

975
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,760
law

976
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:25,680
this does sound like a fascinating talk

977
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,160
especially since we are very much

978
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:30,160
interested in uh

979
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:33,599
sovereign citizens and their shenanigans

980
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:35,599
dinner will follow the lecture

981
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:37,359
for more information visit

982
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,109
again this talk is called rights riots

983
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:45,520
and rat bags making sense of magical

984
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:47,680
thinking and this will be on the 13th of

985
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:48,640
july

986
00:37:54,910 --> 00:37:49,760
2022.

987
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:07,040
[Music]

988
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:11,520
hello this is adrian hill from canada

989
00:38:16,829 --> 00:38:13,920
and yes it's time once again to dive

990
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,839
into those trove archives at

991
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:18,400
trove.nla.gov

992
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:21,760
dot a u regarding this week's topic

993
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,599
reflexology

994
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:25,760
this time we will be looking at not only

995
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:28,079
australian newspaper articles but also

996
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:31,180
reports from this part of the world

997
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,870
i was first introduced to this treatment

998
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,960
when a friend gave me a gift certificate

999
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:40,960
as a thank you for helping her out over

1000
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,119
20 years ago i had never heard of

1001
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:45,599
reflexology and the brochure said it was

1002
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,200
about the feet

1003
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,040
i went to the appointment filled with

1004
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:51,680
curiosity it turned out to be one of the

1005
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:54,720
best foot massages that i have ever had

1006
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:57,040
unfortunately while she was massaging my

1007
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:00,400
feet she made some medical diagnoses

1008
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:03,359
that were questionable to say the least

1009
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,119
the session became more like what i

1010
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:06,960
would imagine a session with a fortune

1011
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,520
teller would be like she told me that

1012
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:11,680
based on something she saw in my foot

1013
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:13,599
that i suffered from asthma

1014
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,839
i was surprised since i was recovering

1015
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,599
from a serious butt of bronchitis at the

1016
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:19,520
time and the doctors had been looking at

1017
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:22,480
a possible asthma diagnosis

1018
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:25,359
however my first thought wasn't wow she

1019
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,119
was able to see that from touching my

1020
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:29,839
feet but was hmm

1021
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,720
i wonder if she saw my steroid inhaler

1022
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:34,320
in my purse

1023
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,400
i recall her telling me i had a healthy

1024
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:38,960
liver very plausible for someone who was

1025
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,359
very fit and 20 years younger at the

1026
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:42,960
time

1027
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:44,800
i never took her seriously but

1028
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:47,359
thoroughly enjoyed my relaxing hour

1029
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,800
did i ever go back

1030
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:50,960
no because i was disturbed with her

1031
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:53,280
equating being able to help asthma with

1032
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:54,880
a foot massage

1033
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,720
if it had been just a wonderful relaxing

1034
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:59,040
moment i would have become a regular

1035
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:00,880
customer

1036
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:04,640
[Music]

1037
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:08,079
from wikipedia quote reflexology also

1038
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:11,280
known as zone therapy is an alternative

1039
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,880
medical practice involving the

1040
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:14,640
application of pressure to specific

1041
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:18,400
points on the feet ears and or hands

1042
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:20,800
this is done using thumb finger and hand

1043
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:22,960
massage techniques without the use of

1044
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,400
oil or lotion

1045
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,720
it is based on a pseudoscientific system

1046
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:28,880
of zones and reflex areas that

1047
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,680
purportedly reflect an image of the body

1048
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:33,839
on the feet and hands

1049
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:35,599
with the premise that such work on the

1050
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,240
feet and hands causes a physical change

1051
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:40,720
to the supposedly related areas of the

1052
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:41,839
body

1053
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,319
there is no convincing scientific

1054
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:46,560
evidence that reflexology is effective

1055
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:53,589
now let's look at what trove has for us

1056
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,240
on this subject

1057
00:41:03,270 --> 00:40:58,720
from page one of the australian jewish

1058
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:03,280
news on friday january 28 2000

1059
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:04,839
it says

1060
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,200
reflexology what it is

1061
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,440
pressure is applied to the reflex points

1062
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,280
on the feet hands and ears that

1063
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:13,200
correspond to different parts and

1064
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:15,040
systems of the body

1065
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:16,560
how it works

1066
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:19,359
like acupuncture it is based on the

1067
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,040
body's meridian lines or energy pathways

1068
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,599
pressure is applied to various pressure

1069
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,359
points on the feet and hands to

1070
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:29,599
rebalance or unlock energy in the

1071
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:32,960
corresponding parts of the body

1072
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:35,200
for example applying pressure to a point

1073
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:37,760
on your big toe may stimulate the flow

1074
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,319
of energy to your head relieving a sinus

1075
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:42,560
problem it is believed to also reduce

1076
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:44,960
stress by improving circulation

1077
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:47,280
eliminating toxins

1078
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,079
of course they do and balancing the

1079
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,079
body's energy

1080
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,000
what it can treat

1081
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:56,319
used for chronic conditions such as

1082
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:00,079
backache migraine i wish it would help

1083
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:03,920
sinusitis asthma and constipation

1084
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,440
reflexology can be either relaxing or

1085
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,520
stimulating

1086
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:11,520
and now we're going to turn to the pages

1087
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,960
of the clipper weekly on september 20th

1088
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:16,400
2010

1089
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,079
and this is a paper out of manitoba

1090
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:23,280
which is a province in canada

1091
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:27,359
and the article title is take a load off

1092
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:30,160
world reflexology week puts best foot

1093
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,480
forward september 19th to 25th by edna

1094
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:35,760
berry

1095
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,160
to promote greater awareness the

1096
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:40,720
international council of reflexologists

1097
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,040
have set september 19th to 25th as world

1098
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,319
reflexology week

1099
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,160
good to know

1100
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:50,720
wondering what reflexology is don't

1101
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,200
worry about it you are not alone

1102
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:55,520
this ancient form of treatment is not a

1103
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,640
household word in north america

1104
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:00,800
however it is gaining popularity as

1105
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:02,800
sufferers look to the internet and

1106
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,680
journals for non-medicinal relief from

1107
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,280
illnesses

1108
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,599
reflexology is not a replacement to

1109
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:11,680
medical help nor is it a means of

1110
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,560
getting medical advice reflexology is a

1111
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:16,560
complement or integrated method of

1112
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:18,560
treatment involving the physical act of

1113
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,319
applying pressure to the feet in hand

1114
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:22,720
with specific thumb finger and hand

1115
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:24,800
techniques without the use of oil or

1116
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:27,440
lotion the reflexology association of

1117
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,240
canada defines the practice as quote a

1118
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,400
natural healing art based on the

1119
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,319
principle end quote

1120
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:36,640
it uses reflexes in the feet hands and

1121
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:38,800
ears which correspond to every part

1122
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,760
gland and organ of the body

1123
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:43,599
by applying pressure to these areas the

1124
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,160
reflexologists can relieve tension

1125
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:48,240
improve circulation and help promote the

1126
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,319
natural function of the body

1127
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,800
garson reflexologist ria beety of

1128
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:54,400
westwood electrolysis

1129
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:56,240
has practiced this alternative form of

1130
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,800
medicine for a year now in the area and

1131
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:00,800
follows the canadian reflexology

1132
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:03,119
council's recommended practices

1133
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,960
now as an aside i want you to remember

1134
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:06,560
what i said about

1135
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,240
my session being the best foot massage i

1136
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:12,880
have ever had because this is what she

1137
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:13,760
says

1138
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,040
it is not a foot massage beady said

1139
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,680
reflexology is based on the principle

1140
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,359
that there are reflexes in the feet

1141
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,000
hands and ears which correspond to every

1142
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,880
part gland and organ of the body when

1143
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:28,880
pressure is applied to these points it

1144
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:31,599
helps relieve tension in different areas

1145
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:33,920
beady works on the entire foot in order

1146
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,480
to balance the whole body reflexology

1147
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:38,480
offers many benefits to the users

1148
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:41,599
including relaxation reduction of pain

1149
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,599
ameliorates health concerns from

1150
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:45,839
children to the elderly

1151
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:47,920
other benefits are reducing pain in

1152
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:49,760
post-operative recovery and in many

1153
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,760
cases eases pregnancy delivery and

1154
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:53,760
postpartum effects as well as the

1155
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,480
effects of cancer treatments and pain

1156
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:58,800
a normal reflexology treatment lasts

1157
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:01,200
about 30 minutes to an hour by having

1158
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:03,200
regular treatments the blood flow is

1159
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:05,119
improved as well

1160
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,200
she uses the canadian association's

1161
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:09,119
method but there are many different

1162
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:10,960
practices and techniques although they

1163
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:13,680
are all similar there is documentation

1164
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,160
in various areas around the world asia

1165
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,800
europe africa and north america

1166
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,640
the earliest form of this alternative

1167
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,280
healing originated in china about five

1168
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,520
thousand years ago but methods have

1169
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:27,680
changed over the past century

1170
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:29,920
even the north american cherokee tribes

1171
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:33,680
practiced the form of reflexology

1172
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:36,400
and now we're going to go back in time

1173
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:39,680
to 1990 and read from the exponent

1174
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:42,880
grandview manitoba on wednesday february

1175
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:46,160
14th oh valentine's day so the article

1176
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,839
title is reflexology an ancient theory

1177
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:51,440
rediscovered

1178
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,920
reflexology is a science and an art

1179
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,680
which deals with the principle that

1180
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,280
there are reflexes in the feet

1181
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:59,280
corresponding to every organ and all

1182
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:00,560
parts of the body

1183
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:03,280
having a trained reflexologist stimulate

1184
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,920
these reflexes properly and regularly

1185
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:08,160
can have a positive effect on overall

1186
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:09,440
health

1187
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:10,880
only the hands are used by the

1188
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:13,440
reflexologist on a client's feet making

1189
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,400
it a safe simple and entirely natural

1190
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:18,640
manipulative therapy

1191
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,680
reflexology is a scientific practice

1192
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:24,480
that should not be compared to massage

1193
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:27,680
the idea of reflexology is not new in

1194
00:46:31,550 --> 00:46:29,839
fact wall carvings from the egyptian

1195
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,560
culture as early as

1196
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:33,680
2330 bc

1197
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:37,440
record the use of this natural science

1198
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,839
reflexology as we know it today was

1199
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:41,520
first researched and developed in north

1200
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:45,680
america in 1938 by eunice ingham

1201
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,119
since 1942 reflexology has been taught

1202
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:51,200
and used extensively throughout the

1203
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,560
world

1204
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:54,720
it is not the purpose of a reflexologist

1205
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:57,599
to treat or diagnose for any specific

1206
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,000
medical disorder but rather to promote

1207
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,160
better health and well-being by allowing

1208
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,319
the body to heal itself

1209
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,079
the reasons why people choose to have

1210
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,400
reflexology treatments are as wide and

1211
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:10,400
varied as are the benefits that they

1212
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,359
receive from them reflexology is a safe

1213
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:15,520
and effective way to better health for

1214
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:17,680
all ages

1215
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:20,480
reflexology is now available in gilbert

1216
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,119
plains by judy adair who has over 10

1217
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:25,599
years experience in both north america

1218
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,400
and european methods i wonder how they

1219
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:30,079
differ

1220
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:31,599
and now we're going to

1221
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:34,160
look at the pages of the medicine hat

1222
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:37,520
news and going back to saturday august

1223
00:47:42,670 --> 00:47:41,119
27 1988

1224
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:42,680
the title is

1225
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:46,400
reflexology helps sinus neck pains

1226
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:48,800
tension

1227
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,280
shirley lyle rubs her finger over diana

1228
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:53,760
hatfield's big toe

1229
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:56,559
that should help your sinuses she tells

1230
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:59,599
hatfield she says firm massage on the

1231
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,680
inside of the big toe will help relieve

1232
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:03,920
tension in the neck and shoulders i can

1233
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:06,079
see how much tension clients are holding

1234
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:08,240
by feeling the soles of their feet

1235
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:09,760
says lyle

1236
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,800
david kahane said he had had a pain in

1237
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:15,119
the left side of his neck for 25 years

1238
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:17,119
before he began foot massage sessions

1239
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:18,800
with jim roll

1240
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:21,520
i couldn't turn my head i had to turn my

1241
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,880
whole body

1242
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,319
said kahani

1243
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:26,400
jim took the pain away completely after

1244
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:27,760
several treatments

1245
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:30,960
i now have complete use of my neck

1246
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:32,960
what does simple foot massage have to do

1247
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:35,599
with sinuses and neck aches

1248
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:38,880
roll and lyell practice foot reflexology

1249
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:41,599
a method where the feet are worked or

1250
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:44,000
massaged to relieve tension in other

1251
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,520
parts of the body

1252
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:47,440
it's a technique that's encouraged in

1253
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,520
many foreign countries yet looked upon

1254
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:51,680
with skepticism by some in the united

1255
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,520
states

1256
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,440
a spokesman for the american medical

1257
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:57,599
association in chicago said the

1258
00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:59,359
association doesn't take a stand on

1259
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,400
reflexology because it isn't recognized

1260
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,079
as a medical profession

1261
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,319
neither does the american podiatric

1262
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:08,960
medical association

1263
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:11,440
lyle and roll are among the 25 000

1264
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,440
people who have attended seminars and

1265
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:15,359
training sessions on the subject across

1266
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:16,480
the country

1267
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,520
both charge 15 for a session that lasts

1268
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:21,680
about half an hour

1269
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:24,160
reflexology is based on the principle

1270
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:26,480
that reflexes in the feet relate to each

1271
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:27,920
organ in the body

1272
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,480
in reflexology the body is divided into

1273
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:32,880
10 vertical zones stretching from toes

1274
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:34,720
to the top of the head with different

1275
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,800
parts of the foot corresponding to

1276
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,880
organs in each zone

1277
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:40,640
when these zones are massaged in

1278
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,680
specific ways the reflexes in the feet

1279
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:46,079
cause reactions in corresponding parts

1280
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:48,640
of the body reflexologists claim

1281
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,520
inhale relax and breathe into it lyle

1282
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:53,520
tells hatfield who says she needs

1283
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,480
reflexology to ease her tension

1284
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,400
the 42 year old woman suffers from

1285
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:00,400
hypertension and headaches and believes

1286
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:03,440
reflexology sessions help her relax when

1287
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,000
you go across the top of my toes i can

1288
00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:08,800
feel my headache lesson hatfield tells

1289
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:09,880
lyle

1290
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,559
reflexology is an encompassing healing

1291
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:14,400
art lyle says

1292
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:16,559
no one knows exactly how it works she

1293
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:17,520
says

1294
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,760
it just works some of my clients have

1295
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:21,599
been coming to me for seven or eight

1296
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:22,559
years

1297
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,280
as a foot reflexologist by an

1298
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,280
organization called the international

1299
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,440
institute of reflexology on st

1300
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:33,599
petersburg florida

1301
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:35,839
rohl learned reflexology and deep body

1302
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:38,800
massage from his great grandfather alex

1303
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:41,680
[\h__\h] dog henderson he plans to quit his

1304
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:44,960
job at whirlpool corporation to become a

1305
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,200
full-time therapist

1306
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:49,520
my technique is a little different than

1307
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:52,960
what is taught at the saint petersburg

1308
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:55,680
institute most because i use firm

1309
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,559
strokes instead of quickly pressing down

1310
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,400
roll says

1311
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:02,559
that technique has been handed down from

1312
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:05,119
roll's family who were cherokee indians

1313
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:06,800
he says

1314
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,520
mark creek is data processing manager at

1315
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:11,599
the institute which was established by

1316
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:14,559
eunice ingham in 1933 and now is headed

1317
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:17,440
by ingham's nephew dwight byers

1318
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,000
creek says reflexology helps in three

1319
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:22,640
areas relaxing tension improving the

1320
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:24,800
nerve and blood supply and enabling the

1321
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,079
body to

1322
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:28,319
normalize itself

1323
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:31,680
when working on an area in the foot we

1324
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:34,640
may encounter an area that doesn't feel

1325
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:36,880
right crete says

1326
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:39,920
we know how the foot should feel and we

1327
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:42,720
try to find the sore spots and work them

1328
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:43,599
out

1329
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:45,119
working on the feet and reducing

1330
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:47,119
blockages that build up in the system

1331
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:49,839
result in relaxation and reduce stress

1332
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:51,520
the first steps to better health

1333
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:53,839
reflexologists say

1334
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:55,359
lyle says

1335
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:57,839
we don't heal anybody we just stimulate

1336
00:52:02,309 --> 00:52:00,640
the body so it can heal itself it's body

1337
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:02,319
mind and spirit

1338
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:05,920
the client has to be willing to let go

1339
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,800
kevin kuntz author of five books about

1340
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:10,800
reflexology is director of the

1341
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,119
reflexology research project in

1342
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:15,359
albuquerque new mexico he's been

1343
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:16,880
fighting for credibility of

1344
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,520
reflexologists for years

1345
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:21,920
we're trying to define ourselves we've

1346
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:23,680
established standards but we want to be

1347
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,599
recognized on a national level kunt says

1348
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:30,000
some critics believe reflexologists are

1349
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:31,760
trying to practice medicine without a

1350
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:34,720
license but kuntz says that's not true

1351
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:37,839
reflexologists don't diagnose illnesses

1352
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:40,960
nor do they prescribe medicine kunt says

1353
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:43,200
nor is it a massage

1354
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:44,880
we think massage is one thing and

1355
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,000
reflexology is entirely different it's a

1356
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:49,920
way of reaching people a way of

1357
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:52,400
releasing tension the foot sets the

1358
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:55,040
tension level for the rest of the body

1359
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:57,200
dr ray wunderlich a physician

1360
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:58,880
specializing in preventative and

1361
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:01,359
nutritional medicine in st petersburg

1362
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:03,040
sends some of his patients to

1363
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,680
reflexologists he said the technique is

1364
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:07,200
most helpful for persons who have

1365
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:09,200
painful conditions of the body who have

1366
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:11,839
hypertension anxiety and difficulty in

1367
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:14,400
tuning their bodies down

1368
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:17,920
he considers reflexology an adjunct tool

1369
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:20,960
to medicine its primary benefit is

1370
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:24,640
inducing a profound state of relaxation

1371
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:26,960
if he were to choose between valium and

1372
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,119
similar drugs often prescribed to relax

1373
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,280
patients and reflexology

1374
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,520
i would take reflexology treatments

1375
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:36,000
every time he says

1376
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,559
the side effects are minimal and there's

1377
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:40,480
no question that it's a safe way to

1378
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:43,119
induce relaxation and also to treat some

1379
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:46,240
other problems like bone spurs

1380
00:53:49,350 --> 00:53:47,760
bone spurs

1381
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:49,360
okay

1382
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:52,319
[Laughter]

1383
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:54,880
problems with reflexology wonderlic says

1384
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:58,240
occur only if you try to do too much

1385
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,200
with it you can't cure appendicitis with

1386
00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:04,079
it it can't replace neurosurgery and you

1387
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:14,230
[Music]

1388
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:16,400
well that was fun thank you richard for

1389
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:19,280
giving me the opportunity to read trove

1390
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:22,240
it was an enlightening experience and i

1391
00:54:29,410 --> 00:54:24,079
look forward to doing it again until

1392
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[Music]

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will be brought to you from bend oregon

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i'm off to visit brian dunning for a

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little while and i'll also later be

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visiting susan gerbic

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i haven't seen my dear friends for

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friends

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also on next week's show the trove

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